The Battle For Reproductive Health

In this episode of Wine, Women, And Revolution Heather sits down with Roxanne Sutocky, the communications director for the Cherry Hill Women’s Center. They discuss the recent series of attacks on abortion and reproductive freedom as well as what you can do to protect your rights.

Heather Warburton 0:02
This is Wine Women and Revolution. With your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on New Jersey Revolution Radio.

Hi and welcome to Wine Women and Revolution. I’m your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on New Jersey Revolution Radio. You can find us online at Follow us on social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. Today we are talking about the recent attacks on reproductive freedom. Scary. I’m seeing people all over social media that are really quite afraid by some of these legislations that are getting passed. So I wanted to bring in an expert here today to talk about things she’s been on the show once before. But Welcome back, Roxanne stocky.

Roxanne Sutocky 0:46
Hi, thank you for having me Heather.

Heather Warburton 0:48
So what’s your position? You’re with the Cherry Hill Women’s Center?

Roxanne Sutocky 0:51
Yeah, so I work as a director of community engagement for the women’s centers. And we’re a group of independent abortion providers. We have five clinics in 4 states, so our Cherry Hill Women’s Center is located in Camden County in New Jersey. And we have two centers in PA one in Connecticut, and one in Atlanta, Georgia.

Heather Warburton 1:09
So the one in Georgia specifically is a little concerning.

Roxanne Sutocky 1:14
Yeah, they’ve been keeping us busy, right. So we’ve seen, you know, over the last couple of weeks, at least six states past six week bans, and some, you know, states passing even more troubling bans, Alabama passing, you know, a ban on almost all abortions, and also criminalizing physicians who would do the procedure. With that ban, we also saw that there was no exceptions for rape, incest, a lot of the provisions that we normally see even in really hostile abortion states,

Heather Warburton 1:48
And specifically, what’s in the ones in Georgia that are affecting you guys.

Roxanne Sutocky 1:52
Yeah, so Georgia passed also a nearly total ban on abortion and abortion ban at six weeks gestation. So when we’re saying six weeks gestation ban, really, that’s about four weeks from the time someone would have conceived the pregnancy. And at most two weeks from the point when someone would have missed their first period.

Heather Warburton 2:11
All right, so you know, probably don’t even know that you’re pregnant at this point in time.

Roxanne Sutocky 2:15
Right. And we’re talking about, you know, states in the south, where a lot of folks are actually having to travel a great distance to be able to access their abortions. And over, you know, since 2010, we’ve seen over 300, abortion bans targeting abortion providers, that have caused a lot of independent abortion providers, and Planned Parenthood, and parenthood affiliate providers to have to close. So we have a landscape of abortion that’s considered like an abortion desert and a lot of parts of the South. So to imagine having just to find out that you are pregnant, and schedule and actually make it to an appointment within that six week time frame, is almost unheardof.

Heather Warburton 2:54
Because really, it’s like a two week time frame, you know, you’ve missed your period, you take a test, you know, that probably takes a couple of days, you know, this is down to like maybe a week and a half, you’d have to get into one of these facilities,

Roxanne Sutocky 3:05
Assuming your period is really normal,your not taking any medication, or exercising, and you know, out of the usual that we know, these things off

Heather Warburton 3:12
Right, I personally have polycystic ovaries so I might miss an entire month. And I don’t think that’s uncommon for women, like most people don’t, women don’t have that exact 28 day unless you’re taking some kind of medication to regulate it,

Roxanne Sutocky 3:26
Right. And birth control is one of the medications that does happen to cause a lot of these, you know, interactions. So, it’s definitely a strategic, you know, effort to not just criminalize abortion, but really to make it inaccessible. And this is what we’ve seen over and over again, historically, is when you know, the government hasn’t been able to eliminate abortion access legally, they’ve been able to pass restrictions to make the procedure, you know, inaccessible. Unfortunately, those types of restrictions don’t impact people who have a lot of means, you know, rich, white women will always be able to travel to New York and have an abortion, stay on an extended vacation, you know, and take the time, they need to have the procedure. Whereas people who aren’t able to take another day off of where find childcare for their kids, pull together the money, you know, that they need to afford this medical care, are not going to be able to navigate, you know, these mounting restrictions.

Heather Warburton 4:24
And now Texas actually has made it illegal to even leave the state, right? Or that’s being debated. It’s not actually signed yet.

Roxanne Sutocky 4:32
So there, you know, it’s important to note that right now, abortion is still legal in all 50 states. So this is something that we’ve had a lot of people reaching out to us to ask us questions about, you know, patients are really afraid that they’re going to come in for their appointments and not be able to be seen or be turned away. So right now, none of these bans that are essentially unconstitutional, have been upheld. But they’re also you know, is no, there are no bans right now, that would restrict someone from leaving their home state to go to another state for an abortion. It’s kind of in you know, states can regulate abortion to a particular extent.

And from the 1992 case, Planned Parenthood versus Casey, they can work to try to persuade women to continue a pregnancy as long as it doesn’t cause them an undue burden. So what we’ll be finding out next is if a state completely restricts abortion access, like we may anticipate seeing now in Missouri, as early as the end of the week, does that pose now an undue burden for someone to have to leave the state potentially driving upwards of four or five, six hours to their closest clinic, but just like , marijuana legalization, there’s still protections on the federal right level, and states are not able to penalize their residents for what they do out of state in the state where it’s legal.

Those kind of, you know.

Heather Warburton 5:59
So even if they try to pass them, they’re not going to be upheld.

Roxanne Sutocky 6:02
I don’t anticipate seeing that kind of far reaching, oversight being being possible, although I think it really does lend to, you know, kind of the fear mongering that’s happening, and the climate, of criminality around abortion that makes people you know, fear whether or not they can access this care, but also kind of creates a, you know, stigmatization and a value judgment coming from this authority of the government to say what you’re doing is wrong, what you’re doing is bad. And we’re imposing the law, these laws because of it.

Heather Warburton 6:35
Right. Now, have you heard I think I was reading a Facebook article that what was it, the Satanic Temple is actually suing the Missouri over these laws that may be signed in by the end of the week, that it’s in violation of their religious freedom?

Roxanne Sutocky 6:49
Yeah, the first time that I came into contact with information about the Satanic Temple, as it relates to abortion, was a challenge on trap law of a mandated consent and waiting period ban, that they were challenging, and I think that they’re doing a really good job at kind of drawing attention to the way that the government right now is trying to ingrain certain religious beliefs or doctrines into government that would rule all people, right. So the Satanic Temple has held that, you know, it is their religious belief in their right to have access to scientific, scientifically accurate medical care, and that these types of laws that are based in, you know, Christian fundamental belief structure actually violate the individual’s religious protections. I don’t think that we’ve seen them held. And I, but I do think that they’re doing a really good job of kind of changing some of the narratives in the conversation around abortion.

Heather Warburton 7:57
So let’s say some of these laws, do get signed into law? Will they go to the Supreme Court likely and is there I know, there’s the fear, but what is the likelihood of Roe vs. Wade getting overturned on the supreme court level?

Roxanne Sutocky 8:13
Yeah, I mentioned that a little while ago about the 1992. case out of Pennsylvania, Planned Parenthood versus Casey. And this is one of the first times that we saw a lot of restrictions on abortion, these trap laws, 24 hour waiting periods, parental consent, there was even a spousal consent in that initial bill. And the anticipation was that it would go to the Supreme Court and that we had a majority supreme court justices, you know, promoted by republican presidents, and that Roe would be overturned. And in that case, obviously, we did not see Roe being overturned, although we saw gutted so that Planned Parenthood versus Casey act allowed states to start to pass a lot of these restrictions that have led us to where we are, you know, today. Unfortunately, the makeup of the Supreme Court has continued to shift and with President Trump. With him having appointed justice, Bret Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, we now see, potentially a Supreme Court that would rule against Roe vs. Wade.

So all of these bans that are popping up, it’s not by accident, it’s a coordinated effort to try to undermine the production of Roe vs. Wade. So what we can anticipate is, you know, legal groups, Planned Parenthood Affiliates, ACLU, Center for Reproductive Rights are going to be challenging these laws in different states, and we likely will see a lot of them halted. We’ll see some injunctions. And then we’re going to see the lower court start to play out. We could anticipate one of these going all the way to the Supreme Court. I think it’s still a little too early to say which which one, but it kind of feels like everyone’s racing and like vying to be that that case, and to see who can pass the most extreme ban. Unfortunately, in the meantime, there’s a lot of people who are going to be caught up in that week. And you know, it’s unfortunate, and it’s really bad for patient health care access.

Heather Warburton 10:14
So what if what can people do that you’re feeling scared, and you want to do something? And I think everyone automatically thinks of, well, I’ll donate to Planned Parenthood, which is fine, because, you know, they may be taking these court cases, you know, to the Supreme Court, but there’s a lot you can do locally, grassroots like we need help here in New Jersey, right.

Roxanne Sutocky 10:34
Absolutely. And so I mentioned before that we’re independent abortion provider, and Planned Parenthood Affiliates, and independent abortion providers make up the majority of facilities that provide abortion care in the United States, independent portion providers seeing about three out of every five people who have an abortion. So my biggest suggestion, whether you’re in New Jersey or not, is to find out who your local independent provider is, and find out what support they need. So there’s an organization, the Abortion Care Network, and it’s a network of all of these indies we call ourselves are independent abortion providers across the United States. And you can see a list of who can take donations, who can take volunteers, where they’re located, I would take a look at some of these states, you know, Ohio, Mississippi, Kentucky, Iowa, North Dakota, Georgia, and see you know, who the providers are in the states and what their needs are.

Another suggestion is to reach out, reach out to your local abortion funds. So abortion funds are organizations, usually nonprofits that raise money to help bridge the gap between patients who are struggling to afford an abortion, and the cost, they need to access care. They also sometimes provide logistical support. So transportation, housing, childcare, some of the biggest, you know boundaries that people face when they’re accessing abortion, your independent abortion provider, your local abortion fund also likely need volunteers. So right here, it will say in New Jersey, at our Cherry Hill Women’s Center, we’ve seen a big influx in volunteer applications, which is awesome. We will be hosting our next volunteer training on Thursday, June the 29th. And so if you’re interested, sorry, that’s Thursday, June the 27th. Okay. And if you’re interested, you can actually just go right to our website, and we have a take action page where you can complete an application to become a volunteer, you can make the donation, and you can sign up on our mailing list, your local abortion provider is going to be very well versed in urgent needs that are facing community members or providers in your state.

Heather Warburton 12:45
So people might be acting as escorts they might be helping with clerical stuff at the facility, things like that.

Roxanne Sutocky 12:52
Yeah, primarily volunteers at the women’s centers help out with clinic escorting. And so for those of you who are not familiar with that, that is physically walking people in and out of the facility. In, you know, the recent few years, we’ve seen an increase in anti abortion rhetoric coming from the current administration coming from news outlets, and that has really incited a lot of people to start coming out and being a little bit more aggressive coming out and bigger number is outside of the health care facility. So, you know, just being a really kind face and soft barrier between patients accessing healthcare and, you know, the the protests that are happening happening outside, there’s a really important action to help ensure that, you know, abortion care is not just safe and legal, but also dignified.

Heather Warburton 13:46
Yeah, and I was hearing from somebody I know, who was sometimes volunteers that the amount of protesters they’re seeing has exponentially increased of late, like, you know, before, they may be acting as a volunteer and not see any protesters on Sunday. And now, pretty much every day you have protesters out there, right?

Roxanne Sutocky 14:04
Yeah, so they’re coming in more frequently and bigger numbers. Some of the rhetoric that we’re hearing from them is a lot more. It’s a lot more harsh. Yeah, we have an excellent team of clinic, escort volunteers. And they really, you know, help us out by being the eyes and the ears outside of the facility, and also just making sure that people know that they’re well supported.

Heather Warburton 14:27
Yeah, that’s great.

Roxanne Sutocky 14:30
We’ve also, we know, based on the most recent national abortion Federation, violence and disruptions, statistics, that our center is not alone in seeing an increase in these types of protests. Unfortunately, you know, picketing outside of facility, harrasing mail, and targeting staff in person than online has increased substantially over the last several years.

Heather Warburton 14:56
So let’s say the worst thing happened, and Roe was overturned. What does that mean, for women in New Jersey, and throughout the country,

Roxanne Sutocky 15:04
There are a handful of states that have protections should Roe be overturned. These are states that have abortion access ingrained into their state constitutions. New Jersey has very strong protections for abortion, but we don’t currently have that type of state constitutional protection. So that’s something that, you know, advocates that are working on the ground are starting to think about what that might look like, and how we can further invest in the abortion infrastructure in New Jersey, which is a state where we would anticipate even if Roe were overturned, people could still access abortion, we’re state that some people are starting to call a haven state. And that’s somewhere where you know, if Georgia falls, if Alabama goes Mississippi goes, where people could potentially be traveling to access their abortion care. This is something we already see. Cherry Hill Women’s Center cares for a lot of patients every day that are coming from out of state, but we could anticipate it increasing that.

Heather Warburton 16:01
So what would something like that if it was ingrained into the state constitution look like? Are people working on these bills currently? Are there people we should be calling?

Roxanne Sutocky 16:10
So right now, I’m really excited to say we actually have been working with a wide variety of organizations throughout the state on a re-envisioned and kind of re-energize the Reproductive Health Coalition called Right to Thrive New Jersey’s going by just thrive nj. And our coalition right now is currently working on looking at the maternal mortality bills that are passing, and we’re trying to, you know, shore up and move some bills that have just been kind of sitting around in the state house across the line, but we are envisioning what a longer term roadmap for, you know, really strong reproductive health policy in New Jersey and the codification of Roe is is definitely something that’s on the table.

Heather Warburton 16:56
All right, but there’s no actual bills numbers yet or anything like that.

Roxanne Sutocky 16:59
No. Right now, though, there is a bill that we anticipate seeing cross the line soon, which is a bill that is a provider confidentiality bill. And what that would do is would allow reproductive health providers and patients to utilize the current DHS address confidentiality program to ensure that if we do need to seek assistance from police department, you know, during some of these protests, or if there were a clinic invasion or other kind of issue at the center, that we would be able to do so confidentially and safely.

Heather Warburton 17:35
Okay. So basically, the police wouldn’t get access to patient information. If there was an incident there

Roxanne Sutocky 17:41
Or a protest. Yeah, unfortunately, we’ve seen protesters at our center recording 911 calls, and then publicly posting the name of the person that called, we have seen the anti abortion extremists, you know, searching out.

Heather Warburton 17:56
Okay, are they actually actually doxxing patients yet, or is that

Roxanne Sutocky 18:01
That’s not something that we have seen. I think abortion providers and reproductive healthcare providers in general do a really good job at protecting patient privacy. We also do have a lot of systems in place, you know, if the police were to be called to try to, you know, make sure that everyone involved is being safe with this would be really a protection right above and beyond that, to ensure that, you know, this wouldn’t be that type.

Heather Warburton 18:27
And I’m assuming that’s likely going to pass once that there’s we’re not seeing a lot of opposition to that, aren’t we?

Roxanne Sutocky 18:31
Yeah, we’re working on a concurrence vote right now. So it should be back through the Senate shortly, but it’s passed both houses, and it’ll be heading to the governor’s desk to sign.

Heather Warburton 18:40
Okay, that’s good. That’s good to hear

Roxanne Sutocky 18:42
Bipartisan support. So, you know, I think, like I said, you know, investing in that abortion infrastructure means, you know, protecting and expanding abortion access. So we should be looking at, you know, what are restrictions, you know, for insurance coverage? How can we expand Medicaid insurance to cover more people in our state to ensure that everyone that is in need can access to health care services that they are looking for,

Heather Warburton 19:07
What percentage of people and it’s okay, if you don’t know the number here, but what percentage of people have need some sort of supplemental help to get either through an abortion fund or through Medicaid or whatever, to be able to access this medical care?

Roxanne Sutocky 19:23
I don’t know, the exact percentage. But I do know that folks that have to pay, you know, for care out of pocket, oftentimes face unnecessary delays to accessing their care. I, in addition to serving with the Cherry Hill Women’s Center, work on the board of the New Jersey abortion access fund. So we fundraise and give grants, you know, directly to patients in need of accessing services. And we, you know, do provide funding for hundreds of patients in the state of New Jersey every year, to help as many people as we possibly can. But there definitely is a gap there.

Heather Warburton 19:56
Yeah, and and something I believe you were talking about last time, you’re here with something called chasing the fee. When you’re trying to save up that money, then the procedure gets more expensive as you have to wait longer into the term.

Roxanne Sutocky 20:07
Right. Some of the things that I think are most frustrating about these six week bands are that they assume that everyone you know, right now as it stands, can have an abortion at the moment that they’ve made that decision. And the same people that are pushing to ban abortions and to restrict access, have already created environment. That means that people with limited resources, aren’t able to access an abortion quickly. And you know, when they’re ready to make that decision, or, you know, necessarily in their communities.

Heather Warburton 20:37
Yeah, I think I saw a statistic fairly recently that most people could not meet a $400 emergency,

Roxanne Sutocky 20:44
Right. And abortion, unlike other medical services, you know, have abortion providers have kept their fees relatively low. So I think the cost of an abortion in like 1980 was around $350. Today, you’re looking at around $450 $500, for a first trimester procedure, in like an outpatient ambulatory surgical facility. You know, so abortion providers really are trying to do their best to make sure that services are available to people that need them when they need them that they are affordable. And, you know, definitely can use the support of community members that you know, want to make sure that the services are protected.

Heather Warburton 21:26
So people can reach out they can donate, they can contact your legislators about shoring up anything else that people can do. If they’re looking, if they’re feeling scared and feel like they need to do something, you know, I’m seeing this fear, which a I think people feel fear can immobilize you. So if we can give them courses of action of these and what you can do, this is how you can make sure reproductive services are available for everyone that gives them power.

Roxanne Sutocky 21:51
Yeah, I think that, especially in New Jersey, making sure that the legislators that are doing a good job on abortion access, know that people are paying intention is really important. So we have a lot of legislators that maybe fundamentally believe in abortion access and abortion rights, but don’t have the language or don’t feel confident, you know, in their ability or their place to speak up. So knowing that their constituents feel that this is a priority issue for them is very important. Very recently, we had three legislators in New Jersey sign on to a statement condemning some of these bans, you know, sweeping across the southern United States. We saw assembly people, Raj Mukherjee, Assemblywoman Valerie, Huddle, and Senator Weinberg, sign on to a letter, you know, really condemning these bans and stating their commitment to protecting and expanding abortion access in the state of New Jersey.

So I think that targeting those legislators and letting them know that you appreciate their work, and if your legislator is not on that list, you know, questioning why not, if there’s someone who expresses progressive values, finding out, you know, if abortion is one of those, and if they do, you know, propose to support abortion, one thing that they can ask of their legislators to do is join something called the reproductive freedom leadership collective. And that is a group of legislators that come together to learn about abortion, access, learn how to speak about abortion access, and really stand together across the United States to push back on something.

Heather Warburton 22:27
That’s not just the New Jersey specific coalition. Okay. All right. So that sounds like a lot, of course of action. You know, you don’t, donating to Planned Parenthood’s good, but that’s kind of, you know, you’re just writing a check. And you kind of forget about it, if you can actually get ingrained. The more people in the streets fighting and protecting these rights for everyone, the better the outcomes will be. And you know what, even if nothing gets to the Supreme Court, Roe stays in place. There’s still people that need help right here in New Jersey, that, you know, can use if the all these people are getting mobilized and want to do stuff, there’s a place for them, right?

Roxanne Sutocky 23:34
Absolutely. Yeah, I would encourage anyone that’s interested in getting involved is welcome to reach out to me either by my office phone or email, which I’m sure that Heather could post along with this, I guess, if people can plug in, or you can always, again, plug into that take action page on our website, and we’ll keep you up to date.

Heather Warburton 24:32
And I remember last year near here, there was some sort of taco challenge. Are you guys doing that again, this?

Roxanne Sutocky 24:38
Oh, absolutely. You know,

Heather Warburton 24:41
when that’s gonna happen,

Roxanne Sutocky 24:42
yeah. So through the month of August, the New Jersey abortion access fund will be welcoming people to eat a taco drink a beer, and donate to their local abortion fund. So this is a coordinated effort through the National Network of abortion funds, and people engage in this taco beer challenge all across the United States all through the month of August. So this year, New Jersey abortion access fund is encouraging people on their own or with a group to have your meal, you know, have your bevy and then become a sustaining donor to NJAF. So this is something that’s a little bit newer for us, it really, you know, is helpful to make a one time donation to your local abortion fund, but sustaining donors give a meaningful donation every month, some as small as $5. And that really helps to make sure that we have, you know, money that we can count on that’s coming in, especially as we anticipate potentially seeing an increase in the number of patients that will, you know, will require our assistance

Heather Warburton 25:41
Right. And this is a lot more fun than dumping a bucket of ice on your head.

Roxanne Sutocky 25:46
Yes, absolutely. Anything that involves food, I’m like I’m in.

Heather Warburton 25:52
Yeah, like we actually went for the Green Party for a while we had a local Mexican restaurant that we were calling the South Jersey Green Party likes office that we always would go there. It’s like, Oh, well, let’s go there. And, you know, film.

Roxanne Sutocky 26:04
So we just wrapped up our recent Bowl A Thon efforts. And I did a little mini challenge where for every donation I got in 24 hours, I was gonna eat a White Castle cheeseburger. So just this past week I had to eat 10 white castle burgers, but you know it, sometimes you have to make light of things, you know, my sister was saying you gotta laugh not to cry. Right, right now, you know, things are really serious. And, you know, folks should be concerned, you know, folks should be concerned, five years ago, 10 years ago, we’ve been on a really slippery slope of losing, you know, our reproductive rights, and losing access to abortion care. And right now, it’s definitely a critical time to plug in.

Heather Warburton 26:51
And I think the key takeaway is that abortions are still legal and provided in every state, that it’s, you know, you’re hearing some of the scary things. But that does not mean that abortions are illegal, that doesn’t mean you’re going to get arrested. Right now, at this point in time, every state still has an abortion, like it’s legal, and just some have ridiculous restrictions that we need to try to push back against. And,

Roxanne Sutocky 27:17
Yeah, there’s excellent legal minds, and, you know, courageous legislators that are pushing forward to ensure that, you know, abortion remains legal. But in the meantime, you know, folks can tap into their local independent abortion provider, their local abortion fund, you know, to get the care and the practical support that they need to access.

Heather Warburton 27:38
And don’t get scared and start saying, Oh, I need to move to another country. You know, let’s stay here, let’s fight, you know, we don’t quite need to, you know, escape to Canada yet, or whatever country people are, thinking that they’re going to run away. And I’ve seen that on Facebook, that women are getting scared.

Roxanne Sutocky 27:54
Yeah, I have to and I, I also have seen, you know, from the opposition kind of statement of, well just move, you know, but who is that not taking into account people that really don’t have the resources or, you know, the family or anything to just get up and leave. So I would say, if you feel like you have the resources to, you know, to up and leave somewhere, you know, more progressive, and you can, you know, hunker down, and, you know, stand up and fight back against some of

Heather Warburton 28:23
Use some of those resources to help fund abortions here in the state of New Jersey or whatever state you’re in. Well, it’s been a pleasure talking to you today, it’s always so much fun. Do you have any closing words or things that you want to say before we call it a day,

Roxanne Sutocky 28:36
I would just say that, you know, it’s really frightening to see, you know, the aggressive pushback and rollback of these Reproductive Health Access and reproductive rights, especially, you know, at a time when we know that maternal mortality, infant mortality in the United States is the highest of any industrialized country.So there’s really a kind of hypocrisy that I’d like to kind of bring attention to, and some of the seeds that are passing these laws tend to be the highest on the list of maternal and infant mortality rate?

Heather Warburton 29:17
Well, you know, that does seem very connected right, that attacks on, you know, people that are able to conceive children are happening across the board, you know, they try to target the marginalized, the powerless, you know, and that’s what they’re doing here. Again, this is just part of a long history of attacks, and they’re not going to stop, but we can fight them back.

Roxanne Sutocky 29:43
In New Jersey, you know, we may be in a fairly good place when it comes to abortion access, but we do have one of the highest racial disparities in maternal mortality.

Heather Warburton 29:52

Roxanne Sutocky 29:52
So if, you know, folks are already getting on the phone and contacting their legislators, and one of the bills in the maternal mortality package is having a little bit of trouble moving, and it’s a bill that would require Medicaid coverage for 365 days after someone delivers child. So right now, the standard is 60 days, but we know that that leaves people without critical health care services at a time when they’re most vulnerable. So in order in order to you know, make sure that parents in our state, you know, have the best outcomes and we really should be pushing, you know, for that bill, it is priceless.

Heather Warburton 30:32
Yeah, you can’t put a price tag on people’s lives.

Roxanne Sutocky 30:36
And if they’re looking for a place to access this funds, we’re also pushing people to contact your legislator, legislators about advancing the millionaire’s tax.

Heather Warburton 30:46
Yes. We’re a big fan of taxing millionaires until the bleed here. Because we are anti capitalist so watching all these oligarchs fight over not having to contribute to society is really annoying.

Roxanne Sutocky 31:04
And it’s really frustrating when those are the same class of people who will always have access to abortion. Yet, you know, people are scrounging to be able just to, you know, access the most minimal basic health care services.

Heather Warburton 31:18
Right. Oh, thanks again for being here. You know, you’re welcome back anytime here. I love talking to you. And these are important subjects. Hopefully my audience is a little less scared and a little more knowledgeable now and you can take this information go forward and make change in your local municipalities and that’s how you start change for the entire world. We’re so glad to have you guys here as listeners for New Jersey revolution radio. We would not be here without you guys. We’re here to be the voice of the activist community. For that. For that end, we take no corporate money. We are supported entirely by small donations from you guys. Even if you know you can sign on to that website. to contribute, click on the donate button. Like Roxanne said, even $5 a month really does help keep us on the air. Our expenses aren’t super high here but we do have expenses every month. So if you guys can contribute even the littlest bit it really helps us we appreciate you more than you know. The future is yours to create. Go out there and create it.

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